That was my expectation going in, which was fine. And I’m going to say hello and I will thank her for her work and that will be that. I was totally like I’m just this guy and that’s it. But I also went into it and I was like, she’s not going to know who I am. I was simply reading your stuff for a while, a number of months.Īnd then when I think I saw that you were going to be at IA Summit, I was like, well, I want to say hello and I want to introduce myself because we had an interaction on the Twitter and it was great. And then, as you say, then it was a progression. And then from there I just followed you on the Twitter and that was it. And I read your post and I read the Tweets a little bit, and I was like I don’t understand why people are attacking her, but OK.īut I was more intrigued by the idea of it because it seemed human and humane to do. So, for Sandy, when you were doing that, and she said a lot of people are giving her shit for it. She’s doing a lot of great work, but people are giving her shit because she is putting - I forget if this was the - when you were doing the person by person thing for - gosh, I’m so sorry. But she said she’s this UX person on Twitter. And she said, well, she’s this UX person on Twitter. It was just really weird because one day it was that she just stopped by my desk and she said, do you follow Whitney? I think the thing for me that I remember is my - so my coworker, actually,, she introduced me to you via the Twitter. And all of that snowballed into where we are now. And I remembered that we had worthwhile interactions.

And before that we just happened to decide to go to the same conference.īut before that we found each other on Twitter, or you found me and I responded. And before that we had an amazing interaction at a conference that was completely unplanned, spontaneous. We tried to figure out what the format would be.Įven before that we had a couple of phone calls just getting to know each other post-conference. Quite frankly, there were a lot of things in motion. Whitney: Of course it was a decision, but think about all the things that happened before we hit Record. We just decided to start it, and we just started it together. But what about this? I mean, we just decided to start a podcast. The thing that we have control over is how we respond to the things that happen to us, what we do with them. I think there’s a lot of things that we don’t have control over, and it’s kind of exciting to let go of all of that control and not have to be so in control.

Paul: So, do we have any control over that, really? You just claimed that point in time as the start, but it really started long before that. Or you make a conscious decision and it’s fairly arbitrary and you say now I’m starting something. And then you start to notice your own behavior and you realize that you started something. Whitney: Things are in motion and you are experiencing them, reacting to them, I think, long before you’re conscious of it. So, what if you don’t know if you started something? Is that what it is? You just don’t know, and you just go along and do it? Whitney: I think that we recognize things as having started quite a while after they actually started. Paul: It just happens? So, is that true for everything, though? I mean, you just kind of go and see what happens? Or what goes into it? I mean, I don’t think that it’s necessarily pretty. Paul McAleer : So, how do you start stuff?

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